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#1 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 10:19 AM

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Default Sim getting a job crashes the game?!
Okay, here's a new one: I made this brother and sister (adults), and moved them into a house together in a new(ish)neighborhood I'd just started. The idea was that they would get jobs, scrape together some cash, and one of them would move out and they would both start families, thereby becoming 'founding citizens' of the neighborhood. Well! Every time the brother accepts a job, it crashes the game. He's looked repeatedly for jobs in the paper and as long as he doesn't accept any of them it's fine; as soon as he does, the whole thing freezes. At first I thought it might be the custom career I'd chosen for him, but I've had other sims take that job and nothing has happened. So I had him try looking for a job on Mog Hughson's Job Notice Board (I love that thing!); same thing happened. Then he looked for a job on the computer; froze again. (At least it always lets me open it up again from the last Save point.)

It just seems to be him accepting a job - any job! - that the game doesn't like. (I haven't tried letting the sister accept a job yet, I've been so obsessed with getting this guy employed she's still watching the Yummy Channel and trying not to burn the house down.) I've created other families in the neighborhood since then and I have not had this same problem. It's only him! How strange. And he's so cute too! It's a darn shame he's destined to remain unemployed his whole life.

I started them out in an Apartment Block with businesses underneath (another one of Mog Hughson's great inventions, Apartments and Shopping on the Same Lot. That's not really a link, but I think that is what it's called, if you're interested.) But I already had another couple in that building and both of them got jobs no problem, so it's not the building's fault. I moved them out of there and into a house made by myself, and it happened again! So I moved them out of that house and into the bin, worried that there was something really wrong with this guy and his evil nature would somehow corrupt my game or my neighborhood or something. It was after that that I went to work on a couple of other households and I've had no problems whatsoever with them.

So then I got brave, dragged those two out of the bin and installed them into a new, different house I made myself and thought "ah, maybe it was just some weird glitch. Maybe it's healed itself." Nope! Froze again as soon as he accepted a job.

Well, I don't have a clue what to do now. Any suggestions? Should I split them up, keep the brother in the bin and let the sister get on with her life? Try letting the sister get a job and see what happens? Frankly, I'm kind of scared to do that. Anyways, I'm thinking that whatever their problem is, it's probably not genetic (. . . . since they are pixels, not living organisms!) I think it must be more related to some CC that I used on him that I haven't used on anyone else in town (yet), but that will be hard to pin down, since I have tons and tons of CC, and a lot of it is newly downloaded. 99.9999% of all the CC I download is from here, because I trust this site completely, and I'm also very careful about other sites that I visit. (I have to be: I'm a technological idjit, and I know how easy it is to download a problem, and how difficult it is to fix it.) I'm thinking there must be a 'clash' of some sort happening, where this mod doesn't get along with that mod, or whatever.

So (sigh), sorry I'm so long-winded, but I really wanted to explain it in detail. If anyone has heard of this problem before (and knows how to fix it!) please reply. Or if anyone has any suggestions for me to help pin down the problem, I'll try anything. (As it stands, the brother and sister are still in their newest house. I won't go near them again till I get some advice.)

A million thanks again, you guys. You've hauled me out of the mud more than once before, and if it weren't for the good folks at MTS I wouldn't still be playing this game - Sims 2, the best game in the world - instead I'd be miserable and Sim-less. (Sims 3 just makes me mad, and I won't touch Sims 4.)

I will be thankful for any replies.
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#2 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 10:40 AM
It could be a bad custom career perhaps? I would try with the sister and see if you get the same issue.

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Mad Poster
#3 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 10:51 AM
I would say it is probably related to cc or perhaps a mod conflict.
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#4 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 11:42 AM
Quote: Originally posted by SciBirg
It could be a bad custom career perhaps? I would try with the sister and see if you get the same issue.


Well, I can't go back and check which career I picked for him the last time which froze my game, but I did - on your advice - just go back to the house and try to get the sister a job, and it worked. No problem! She folded up the paper and the announcement came that the carpool would be arriving at 8 am. (It's a Custom Career, Real Estate.) The original career that the brother got the first few times was also a custom career, Prison Guard. Anyway, the job didn't matter, the game froze no matter what job I gave him. So there is something about HIM that is the problem, but I don't know what it is.

Thanks for the suggestions, and please keep thinking. This one is a mystery.
Undead Molten Llama
#5 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 12:21 PM
Since you've already tried moving the Sim out and back into a lot -- which usually fixes lots of weird stuff like this -- and it's not happening with other Sims, then perhaps something just went screwy when the game generated that particular Sim. It happens sometimes. From what you've said, these are new Sims without a lot of memories and relationships and all that, so, if you have SimPE, you might try extracting him from the neighborhood (after noting down all his stats like personality points and turns-on/off and all that) and then re-making him. (Instructions for extracting Sims are here: http://simswiki.info/wiki.php?title...act_In-Game_Sim ) Then, you'll have a completely new Sim who's a "clone" of the original one in terms of appearance, which should get rid of this weirdness with getting him a job if it was indeed an error that happened when he was generated.

Of course, you'll need to get rid of his original self (Kill him, don't delete him), which will have the effect of giving his sister memories of his death, but if that bothers you, memories can be edited with SimPE, too. (Or you can break the relationship with his sister using the Sim Blender and then move him to a different lot and kill him there, which will avoid giving the sister death memories in the first place.) And you'll need to re-establish family ties with the clone and any important relationships with other Sims and perhaps adjust how many days left he has in his current life stage and stuff like that. All that can be done easily in-game with the Sim Blender, too. The Sim Blender is here: http://www.simbology.com/smf/index.php?topic=20.0

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#6 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 12:57 PM
I think so too. But which one????!!!!! (I'm not trying to be snotty, I'm merely over-using punctuation marks to make my point and underline the angst I'm feeling.)

The CC I used on this guy was the Body Builder clothes/body type; Werewolf hair (which was actually very new, so that might be it), and 20 facial sliders. I've used the Body Builder clothes on other people with no problems at all. Same with the facial sliders. Yes, the werewolf hair is new, but I know that I've used it on at least one other Sim before I tried it on this guy. Come to think of it, I don't know if I was able to get that guy a job or not. Maybe that is something I should check on.

***I just googled Sims 2 Werewolf Hair, and what came up was not anything like I meant. What I'm talking about is a nice-looking men's hairstyle, by one of those custom artists who specialize in hair, and it's a long, swept-back mane, just short of the shoulders. Perfect for a sketchy biker-type of guy ( . . . or a prison-guard, but we won't go there.)

***Okay! I just re-entered my game, went to CAS, found the hair and hovered over it. Werewolf TS3 retextured by Voeille. So the original hair is Sims 3, and Voeille just retextured it. Well, shoot, that can't be it either!

Okay, so if it's not the Body-Builder clothes, the facial sliders, or the werewolf hair, then what is causing all the trouble? Why can this man not get a job?

Quote: Originally posted by Justpetro
I would say it is probably related to cc or perhaps a mod conflict.
Mad Poster
#7 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 12:57 PM
BTW,_admins/mods_should_move_this_to_Help.

P.S. Sorry for my bad english.
Mad Poster
#8 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 1:21 PM Last edited by gazania : 10th Jul 2018 at 3:49 PM.
I see three options. One is the easiest option if it works. One is last-ditch. One is a pain in the butt, but may be useful. Back up your hood first with the first two options. (If you haven't done backups in a while, or need to do the 50/50, you might as well back up your game instead of just the hood).

Option 1 ... move him out and see if he can find a job if he lives on his own. This is a last-ditch effort. Use the Batbox if you have it and see if it says anything before moving him out. Have him try a Maxis job first.

So far, it could be Sim-specific. Perhaps the game does not see him as an adult. Does Sim PE say he's an adult? If he is considered a teen, though, I would be concerned that making him live alone could be a problem; hence the need to back up the hood first, just in case.

I will swing by the Downloads here and see if anyone in the comments section had trouble with that career. Often, comments can be useful. (Nope).

Option 2 (easiest option if it works) ... Can he start his own business? He can always be self-employed!

I would also make a test hood and have a whole bunch of Sims try that custom career. See if they're OK. You can get rid of the test hood when you're done. I am still not ruling out that career, even though I see you've tried it on other Sims.

Tip from someone who has been there: In the future, ALWAYS test a mod, eye color, career or food in a junk hood first, and back up your game before doing this. You can't be too careful, no matter where you find the download.

Option 3 ... Try the game with the career in it only (pain in the butt, but can be useful).

In this one, I would back up the GAME; not just your hood. You will be testing on the junk copy and fixing your good game if you see a problem. But make a backup and keep it safe! Do NOT simply test and use the testing copy of your game as your good game once you have finished. Test on a junk copy only.

Take out your downloads and leave only that career in there. See what happens.

Yup. We're going the 50/50 route here. See if he crashes now. If not, get yourself a cup of tea/coffee/soup/etc. This could take a while. Put a bunch of your downloads back in. See what happens. Crashing? The problem is in that batch. Narrow it down. No crashing? Another batch from your downloads. Etc.

Once you're done, if it's something you can easily delete, such as a hairstyle, delete it in your good game. I do not believe you can simply delete a custom career, though. (Someone more knowledgeable might be of assistance. The wiki might also help! I believe you can delete a custom career once you are absolutely, positively sure no other Sims have that career, but it would be wise to verify that). He might still have to quit his job and run a business.

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RIP Sunni ... truly a ray of light.
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#9 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 2:27 PM
iCad, you credit me with a lot more techy intelligence than I actually have. SimPE? Sim Blender? I wouldn't trust myself to use them properly. My child had to teach me how to download CC into my game, because I'd never have figured it out on my own.

However, something you said did resonate: "It happens sometimes." Well, maybe, it was just a glitch. Maybe this poor, handsome man is really un-saveable. If that is the case, then I will stop worrying about how to fix it; I will just let him live the happiest life he can live while remaining completely unemployable. Perhaps he'll become a stay-at-home dad/gardener. He'll probably be the happiest guy in town.

I thank you for your input here, because I know your work, and I know you know what you are doing. If it's a glitch, then it's a glitch and that is that. I can live with a glitch; what I can't live with is a problem that will keep repeating itself for reasons unknown.

Thankyou, iCad. You've been a huge help.

Quote: Originally posted by iCad
Since you've already tried moving the Sim out and back into a lot -- which usually fixes lots of weird stuff like this -- and it's not happening with other Sims, then perhaps something just went screwy when the game generated that particular Sim. It happens sometimes. From what you've said, these are new Sims without a lot of memories and relationships and all that, so, if you have SimPE, you might try extracting him from the neighborhood (after noting down all his stats like personality points and turns-on/off and all that) and then re-making him. (Instructions for extracting Sims are here: http://simswiki.info/wiki.php?title...act_In-Game_Sim ) Then, you'll have a completely new Sim who's a "clone" of the original one in terms of appearance, which should get rid of this weirdness with getting him a job if it was indeed an error that happened when he was generated.

Of course, you'll need to get rid of his original self (Kill him, don't delete him), which will have the effect of giving his sister memories of his death, but if that bothers you, memories can be edited with SimPE, too. (Or you can break the relationship with his sister using the Sim Blender and then move him to a different lot and kill him there, which will avoid giving the sister death memories in the first place.) And you'll need to re-establish family ties with the clone and any important relationships with other Sims and perhaps adjust how many days left he has in his current life stage and stuff like that. All that can be done easily in-game with the Sim Blender, too. The Sim Blender is here: http://www.simbology.com/smf/index.php?topic=20.0
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#10 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 2:35 PM
The Blender is really really useful. I consider it an essential mod.

Thanks to ALL free-site creators, admins and mods.

RIP Sunni ... truly a ray of light.
Undead Molten Llama
#11 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 2:50 PM
I understand being tech-phobic, and SimPE has a learning curve, definitely. But the Sim Blender's really easy because it's an in-game object, no different than any other piece of CC, and anything you do with it cannot hurt your game. It appears in the catalog as a plant, a clone of the Maxis ficus, to be exact. You place it on a lot like any other plant, but when you click on it, it has all sorts of self-explanatory options that you can choose that change things about your pixels, all in-game, so that you DON'T have to mess with something outside the game, like SimPE. In fact, you can use it to give your Sims a career, any career that you have in your game, without using the newspaper or computer. You might actually try that with your problem dude here, since maybe the issue is that he has some sort of problem interacting with the newspaper itself. If that's the case, assigning him a job with the Sim Blender might work.

On the other hand, not every Sim has to have a standard job. In fact, I think the standard jobs are kinda boring, and I like to have lots of alternative ways to make money. Is he a nature-lover? Have him garden or fish and sell the fruits of his labors. Is he a tinkerer? Have him restore junked cars and sell the result. (You can just sell "to the air." You don't have to set up a business if you don't want to.) Or, if he's the creative sort, there's writing novels or painting or you can have him travel to community lots and play musical instruments for tips. (The latter is ridiculously lucrative.) Or if you like running businesses, he can have a business, and there are limitless options there. If he's a Romance or Pleasure Sim, he'd be deliriously happy to be a "professional escort." (Have him go on dates for a living and sell the date rewards and any date gifts he gets as his "payment.") Really, the options are pretty limitless. I (and other people I know) play neighborhoods where no one has a regular job, and it works out just fine.

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#12 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 3:48 PM
Gazania, you are so far over my head it is scary. Please read the post I wrote to iCad and you will understand the level I'm at. But see, this is exactly why I love it here at MTS; I am surrounded by brilliance, and I always know that even if I don't know what is going on, I am always surrounded by people who know everything I need to know, and are so willing to share it.

Thankyou for your advice, even though I'm way, WAY too dumb to ever be able to use it.

One thing you said though, that I think I will be able to use is this: Make him a business-owner. Shoot, I didn't think of that! That is a great idea! No, I'm not gonna kill him or clone him or anything else. But business-owner just might be the answer for this guy.
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#13 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 4:19 PM
Who makes the Sim Blender?
Mad Poster
#14 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 4:23 PM
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#15 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 4:26 PM
Try changing his clothes. Way back when, this was a semi-common problem people were having with an incorrectly made dress-as-top mesh.
Link Ninja
#16 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 4:40 PM
At this point, if it were me I would incorporate this glitch into the story as the guy just can't hold down a job. If you need him to make money brush up on his creativity skills and have him paint and sell art or write novels from home. He could start a garden and sell the produce.

Uh oh! My social bar is low - that's why I posted today.

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#17 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 5:32 PM
Try the hoodchecker by Mootilda and the Hack Conflict Detection Utility. backup first of course, but both those programs have helped me dealing with issues a lot.

Also there is something like having too many custom content and also too many custom careers. Try to give him a Maxis career to rule the custom careers out.
Although I don't think it's a custom career problem because then every sim would have that problem with only that career.

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Undead Molten Llama
#18 Old 10th Jul 2018 at 7:21 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Laurcleve
Who makes the Sim Blender?


It was made by twojeffs, one of the best TS2 modders, although no longer active as far as I know. He's the same person who made ACR (Autonomous Casual Romance), which is a mod that a lot of people have that allows Sims to, for example, try for a baby autonomously. So, he very much knew what he was doing, and there's no need to worry about downloading any mod made by him. In the case of the Sim Blender, since it's a self-contained modded object and not a mod that changes anything about how the game works, you don't even have to worry about conflicts with anything else. Just download and install it like you would any other piece of CC, like a new couch or something. It'll appear in the Misc/Misc section of the buy catalog, costs $10, and the thumbnail is the same as the Maxis potted ficus plant. Just plop it on a lot and use it to manipulate stuff. Its download page details all that it can do. You'll find it very useful as you play more.

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#19 Old 11th Jul 2018 at 7:09 AM
Okay, I've had a nice long sleep on it, and I have just accepted the fact that this poor guy will never be able to get a 'normal' job. But heck, he doesn't really look like the sort of guy who'd have a 'normal' job anyways! I'm perfectly okay with him fishing or growing veggies or fixing cars to make his living. (Fixing cars, that's a good idea. I can certainly see him doing that. He looks like a hunky mechanic type.) The poor shmo, after all this moving around, is still only about two days old so I don't even know if he really enjoys tinkering or if he'd prefer playing music for tips or doing something else. Whatever!! Life is a challenge, isn't it. I'll just go with the flow and see where life takes him. Maybe I'll fix him up with some woman who likes 'unemployed' guys, that would be a bonus, ha ha. I originally had him ear-marked for the Russian lady across the hall in his first apartment building, but I really don't think she'd go for a guy who fixes cars for a living; she's very business-like and efficient, and she seems like she'd prefer someone with a more stable income. Oh well, the neighborhood is still pretty new so there's a world of possibilities for both of them. Like I tell my kids: Everybody's different! That's what makes the world go around.

Well, as always, you folks have been an enormous help. I came in here thinking maybe I'd done something wrong, and maybe, if I knew more, there was a way to fix it. Now I know that it is simply one of life's mysterious glitches (hey, they happen) and that if I want to perform brain surgery on my game I might be able to turn it around. Well, I appreciate the advice, and it makes my heart happy to know that there are people like you to turn to when things get rough.

I think, instead of trying out the brain surgery, I'll just let the ridiculously handsome Hubert French live out his life as a musician or a mechanic, or whatever floats his boat. I AM going to look into that SimBlender thing though, so thank you for that. It sounds intriguing, and also easy enough for me to figure out! Lovely! SimPE sounds far too technical for me though. Although I seem to spend my life on this computer, the truth is I'm actually frightened of it. It knows a lot more than I do, about computers at least.

You have all been a great help! Thankyou!
Mad Poster
#20 Old 11th Jul 2018 at 8:49 AM
Prison Guard? It's not the one by Inge from Simlogical that goes with the prison hack is it? If it is then do you have a prison? If you don't then the game might be trying to find one and failing as the hack is set up so when you play the prison the sim will actually come in to work there.
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#21 Old 15th Jul 2018 at 11:37 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Charity
Prison Guard? It's not the one by Inge from Simlogical that goes with the prison hack is it? If it is then do you have a prison? If you don't then the game might be trying to find one and failing as the hack is set up so when you play the prison the sim will actually come in to work there.


Good point Charity! But no, I don't have that one, although I've eyeballed it a few times. This is merely a custom career called "Prison Guard" - or at least the name of the level one position is Prison Guard. (It was probably made by lientebolleimis; she makes most of the custom careers I get, although I could be wrong about the actual creator; I've had it a long time.) I've had other sims accept that job and go up levels in it with no problems at all.
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#22 Old 15th Jul 2018 at 1:57 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Laurcleve
Good point Charity! But no, I don't have that one, although I've eyeballed it a few times. This is merely a custom career called "Prison Guard" - or at least the name of the level one position is Prison Guard. (It was probably made by lientebolleimis; she makes most of the custom careers I get, although I could be wrong about the actual creator; I've had it a long time.) I've had other sims accept that job and go up levels in it with no problems at all.


The career I have made is Prison Service. It doens't have any level with the titel "Prison Guard".
So I don't think it was made by me.
But just to make sure: when you hover over the icon of the career in the job panel, you can see which career track the sim is in.

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#23 Old 26th Jul 2018 at 3:41 PM Last edited by Laurcleve : 26th Jul 2018 at 4:33 PM.
Default linteibollemeis, you are right!
*Long story short, I already wrote a long reply to your post, but it got lost somehow. I will not dwell on that; I will start again.

"Prison Service" is the correct name for the career, not "Prison Guard." You were right about that; it must be one of yours. The Level One job is "Support Officer". I just tested it on a new (to my n'hood) family, and the dad accepted that career, no problem. I also looked all the way through my many careers to make sure I didn't have another one like that, but I don't. Well, I've already had other sims accept the Prison Service career path and become successful at it, so I knew it wasn't the career; it must just be some oddball glitch with that particular sim of mine that is causing all his problems.

Aside from being unemployable, he seems to be doing just fine. He's one of the people in the neighborhood who shows up to greet everyone else, so he knows everybody and he's extremely popular. And it's not just me who thinks he's a doll, it's everybody in town! They all seem to have the hots for him, and I hardly ever create 'romantic' sims; they are all usually 'family' or 'money' oriented, especially in a new neighborhood, as this one is.

Anyways, the family-oriented Hubert French is now off the market: He's recently married to a custom-made mate for him who likes brown hair and unemployed men, and hates robots Triple lightning bolts there, because he is, and always will be, unemployed; he has brown hair; and he's not a bot. And I obviously made her to his specifications. So . . . match made in heaven!
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#24 Old 26th Jul 2018 at 4:51 PM
Sorry, lientebollemeis, I misspelled your name in the last post.
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#25 Old 5th Mar 2022 at 11:14 AM
To anyone who happens to have the same issue: thanks to platinumaspiration on Tumblr I found out that it happens because the top/bottom piece of clothing was built on bottom/body mesh. To test it, just change your sim's clothing and try looking for a job again. If they get it - the issue was in that piece of clothing.
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