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#1 Old 18th May 2018 at 10:12 PM
Default Political Correctness-Should it exist?
i think it should not exist because so what if someone gets offended? they should get over it,free speech means we can say what we want so why is everyone so concerned about "offending people"? in my opinion if you don't like what someone is saying don't listen to it.

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#2 Old 22nd May 2018 at 8:48 PM
I mostly agree, but would like to say that intentionally being hateful and/or using hateful language is NOT okay.

It's not okay to think/say others should change to accommodate complete strangers.
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#3 Old 22nd May 2018 at 8:51 PM
Just stick the middle finger up to it and tell them ‘you ain’t brainwashing me!!’

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#4 Old 11th Aug 2018 at 4:38 AM
Political correctness is necessary as a concept, however, I feel that due to its loose and careless usage these days, it's either used in some deontological manner (which I don't like) or it's tossed at people who genuinely care or trying to learn about human advocacy things, which diminishes its value. For example, one could be be against something so basic (such as being against slurs or violent rhetoric against a group of persons) -- that some or most would agree with -- and someone would take their outrage as being "PC". I've seen folks accused of practicing political correctness for the simplest things, such as not referring to disabled people as the r word. As for the deontological point, I don't like things being done solely out of a sense of duty. Being considerate and having common courtesy shouldn't be a chore. It lacks sincerity in my opinion.

In essence, it as a concept and idea has good intent but the way its regarded and (over/mis)used makes it become as meaningless as the word "triggered" has. With that being said, freedom of speech is certainly a freedom, but free speech isn't without consequences nor a shield against opposition.
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#5 Old 12th Aug 2018 at 8:46 PM
What exactly do you mean by political correctness? Do you mean we should just stop being civil. Do you want to use the N word on black people or the f word on gay people and not be bothered about if they'll be offended? Will you also get over it if others call you the C word cause they don't like you? If that's not what you mean? Then what exactly are you talking about when you say political correctness?
Free speech gives you the right to say whatever you want without having to go to prison. That's all it does. You can still face other consequences like get banned from a website for eg. because bullying is against their rules. Freedom of speech won't stop your friends and family from shunning you because of the things you say.
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#6 Old 3rd Oct 2018 at 4:50 PM
Political correctness (to ME) means POLITICIANS decide what people should say (even making spoken things illegal). And yes, I understand why some things are illegal to say - like yelling "fire", or saying you're going to kill someone (is assault). But it is NOT just the idea of being civil to each other. And people in general (sheeple) have been taught to just go along with what they "should" think. And now it is a messed up, over-used term, and concept. To the advocates, it means it is not OK for men to belittle women, but it is OK for women to belittle men. Any time you can substitute one gender/race/etc for another in a statement, the statement is crap. As: "All white men are bigots", "All black people like fried chicken", "All blonds are stupid". I'm just using these as examples of not-logical thinking; if you believe any of these statements, or IF YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE SOME OTHER GROUP & think it's correct - you are wack. Stupid. Bigotted." Political correctness" does this all the time. The Woman's Movement, The ME TOO generation, the Professional Insulted people. Brainwashed sheeple. But only children want to run to Daddy and complain that someone is being mean to them.

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#7 Old 12th Oct 2018 at 7:58 AM
Putting "political correctness" into Google yields this definition:
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the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.


Oftentimes people who claim they're being "brutally honest" emphasize the "brutal" part, disregarding the effect their statements have on the listener. It is important to consider that words do hurt and may have long lasting effects on how one perceives themselves. Saying "words only have as much weight as you give them" is nice in theory, but it's impossible to completely detach yourself emotionally from someone hiding under the guise of "honesty" to attack you.

By the definition above, political correctness is a form of self censorship - which, like all forms of censorship, has the potential to go downhill badly if mishandled. A lot of discourse I've been seeing online lately emphasizes censorship for the sake of shutting others down, whereas I think it's crucial to understand WHY we must censor ourselves. It's important to relate to the "others" and understand the root of the words and actions that offend, not hide behind a shield of fake honesty and throw the blame on the "others" for being offended. Censorship should never be employed to foster ignorance.

I do believe everyone has bad thoughts towards people different from them, even in passing. But it's entirely our choice whether to act on those thoughts or not.

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#8 Old 12th Oct 2018 at 2:26 PM
Besides, that definition is not at all what people actually do. As; it is now "politically correct" to say white people are bigots, but not to say black people are bigots. It's OK to criticize men (in lots of ways), but not to criticize women (just in general).

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#9 Old 12th Oct 2018 at 3:18 PM
Quote: Originally posted by grammapat
Besides, that definition is not at all what people actually do. As; it is now "politically correct" to say white people are bigots, but not to say black people are bigots. It's OK to criticize men (in lots of ways), but not to criticize women (just in general).

I've not come across what you're describing in real life. And on the internet, only in certain forums/groups that gather around those ideas, which I'd categorize as extremist and/or ignorant of how the world works (e.g. some teenagers, young adults, or other people who advocate for the type of behavior you're describing).

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#10 Old 13th Oct 2018 at 10:11 AM
Quote: Originally posted by sweetdevil
I've not come across what you're describing in real life. And on the internet, only in certain forums/groups that gather around those ideas, which I'd categorize as extremist and/or ignorant of how the world works (e.g. some teenagers, young adults, or other people who advocate for the type of behavior you're describing).


It is however what many ppl think, if not says out loud. I live in the "feminist/PC/extremist/communist"-country of Sweden, and we clearly see horrible psychological effects from the #Metoo-movement as well as the anti-racists, anti-white,anti-male (and the immigration-wave to Europe) of late. Sweden is slowly turning into a dysfunctional Soviet-clone (lies,corruption,propaganda) with an extreme globalist/neo-liberal agenda. We currently have no functional government bc the "extremists" -(or the opposition)- namely 17% of the voters- has to be excluded and discriminated against due to Swedens socialist past as well as our nazi-history. So,imho,growing up with noble PC-ideals was just fine once upon a time (on emotional and philosophical levels, I used to be a liberal humanist myself) until they became the actual politics of our country. PC, after all, is a form of bullying. Oppression never feels ok.

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#11 Old 14th Oct 2018 at 6:47 AM
Quote: Originally posted by sweetdevil
I've not come across what you're describing in real life. And on the internet, only in certain forums/groups that gather around those ideas, which I'd categorize as extremist and/or ignorant of how the world works (e.g. some teenagers, young adults, or other people who advocate for the type of behavior you're describing).


It's rampant among university students, and guess who will be the ruling class in a few years.
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#12 Old 17th Oct 2018 at 9:09 PM Last edited by ShadowMT13 : 17th Oct 2018 at 9:21 PM.
As far as I am concerned, nothing political is right or wrong. People will always have their opinions and sometimes you just need to accept them. As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as political correctness since I see problems in any political mind set with how people think. Yes some are more level headed with their political opinions and how they think something should be ran, but from my experiences in a rather political family where we have republicans, democrats, and liberals all in the same family circle no one is ever fully right nor are they fully wrong. I also personally don't agree with how politics of the USA work honestly and I feel they are broken and we should do better with how we run things. But I am unsure, should it exist? Well truth be told rather it should or not people will always have their political opinions and rather the idea of Political correctness exists or not, it will not make much of a difference. Though to be fair the USA would be a nicer place if we actually gave a crap about one another more, I come from a town that is so toxic it gets sickening sometimes. I am hoping to move somewhere soon where respect for strangers matters more.

Reading the comments perhaps I am thinking of the wrong type of politics. But it is clear that we should all probably stop flaming each other and what not. I myself don't follow any specific ideology and only agree with my own thoughts on certain things since it is futile trying to debate anything with people now and days rather they are right or wrong. I will take opinions with a pinch of salt and for the most part I avoid debates regarding topics I myself am more sensitive to. Unless I see someone's "opinions" as constructive criticism I typically just don't listen if it sounds mainly like just flaming or insulting a specific group.
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#13 Old 15th Jan 2019 at 3:07 AM Last edited by MonMon : 15th Jan 2019 at 3:25 AM.
I do think that the political correctness has gone a bit too far, but also Freedom of speach always comes with a big responsibility.When people understand that responsibility, there will be no need for political correctness.

An example from my own country some years ago, someone made a caricatur drawing of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and it was published.The muslims here got very offended by this.But it was not illegal to do this, and broke no laws since we do have freedom of speach here.As i see it, those publishers failed to see the responsibility in having their rights.This ended in a terror attack against the publishers.
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#14 Old 20th Aug 2019 at 2:59 AM
Yes, because it usually is a fancy way of saying not being racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist, ableist or such. Though some go to far like objecting to calling something/someone stupid "retarded." That's retarded. Or wanting to get rid of gender pronouns entirely.
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#15 Old 20th Aug 2019 at 5:37 AM
To an extent.

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#16 Old 22nd Aug 2019 at 5:01 PM
I'm a Jewish woman with mental illness and neurological divergence. You don't get to call me a k*ke, cunt, r*tard, or any other words that have been used to push down people like me over the centuries. Yes there is freedom of speech, but using those words is like an act of violence on my soul. Just as you wouldn't go around hitting people with a hammer, you shouldn't use words that feel like hammers on people. Every time someone complains about political correctness, I hear, "I'm really upset that people won't put up with me stabbing them at random anymore."

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#17 Old 26th Aug 2019 at 12:34 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Emerald1234
i think it should not exist because so what if someone gets offended? they should get over it,free speech means we can say what we want so why is everyone so concerned about "offending people"? in my opinion if you don't like what someone is saying don't listen to it.


I believe the initial intent (And the core principle) of political correctness is to address the areas of gray in society that, before now, had either gotten lumped in with something completely different, or were ignored outright. Ideally, the intent is to increase awareness of things being taken a different way, or having more meaning than what pop culture would initially present. In the hands of the reasonable individual, political correctness is just a tool, and otherwise a suggestion, not a RULE, of interacting with others. Much the same way that consideration in general, is a suggestion, but not a rule about interacting with others.
I personally don't think that political correctness would be necessary if people actually took it upon themselves to actively research these hot button subjects, before they started talking about them. But eh, that's humans for ya.
That being said, absolutely there are people who take it way too far. Those people are just looking for a reason to tear into someone else, and aren't really concerned with (Or outright deny that) the growth of the other party involved in the topic/conversation, introducing new info, etc. Their main goal is to cause drama, or make you look bad, even if you were just legitimately ignorant or well-meaning, but not agreeing. Every group has at least a handful of individuals who take it too far, and with enough of them, they can overrun any given cause and ruin the initial intent.

Also, freedom of speech does not mean you can say whatever you want. It means the press can't be arrested for putting out articles that don't kiss our president/law enforcement's ass. It means you can't be arrested for protesting, for shouting on a street corner, etc. It does not mean you're entitled to an audience, and it doesn't mean you can make threats without any consequences or arguing whatsoever. In the same breath you're defending a person's right to saying their opinion, you're also ignoring that other people also have a right to air their opinions about that opinion.
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#18 Old 26th Aug 2019 at 6:54 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Wojtek
Actually, I'm not from Russia, but propaganda and censorship were comparable in socialist Poland when my parents were young and present-day political corretness is not any better. You gave a perfect example. Firstly, a crime is an intentional act of harming someone. Using the "wrong" gender pronoun, for example because someone was confused, doesn't meet this criterium, so any accusations and imprisonments are, in my opinion, unlawful. Besides, in order for something to be considered crime, it has to be harmful to the society. Again, the pronoun thing is in no way harmful to the society and treating the "offenders" like dangerous criminals is laughable.


The law is pretty clear that the fine is only applicable if the behavior is repeated and known to be discriminatory. A law professor at the University of California Davis, Courtney Joslin, stated "The bill is very, very clear that what is prohibited is the willful engagement and repeated engagement in discriminatory conduct against LGBT seniors. So, if someone makes a mistake or doesn’t know what a person’s gender identity is and uses the incorrect pronoun that is not a violation of the statute." Besides, intentional misgendering is harmful to society. Although it is with chosen name rather than pronoun, this study by the Journal of Adolescent Health (https://www.jahonline.org/article/S...0085-5/fulltext) demonstrates that using their preferred names led to a 56% decrease in suicidal behavior. Obviously it is impossible to prevent accidental misgendering so the law doesn't even pretend to try and punish that, only repeated and intentional misgendering.

Quote: Originally posted by SuicidiaParasidia
Also, freedom of speech does not mean you can say whatever you want. It means the press can't be arrested for putting out articles that don't kiss our president/law enforcement's ass. It means you can't be arrested for protesting, for shouting on a street corner, etc. It does not mean you're entitled to an audience, and it doesn't mean you can make threats without any consequences or arguing whatsoever.

Exactly! I was waiting for someone to say this lol. Freedom of speech only protects you from the law and even then I believe it can be revoked at certain times in America at least.
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#19 Old 27th Aug 2019 at 1:29 AM
Did you really just call LGBT "crazy making?" That's not cool.
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#20 Old 27th Aug 2019 at 10:20 AM
So you would be TOTALLY okay if I someone said to you they would no longer respect you as a person because of all the make-believe in your made-up, imagined religion, wojtek? I guess everything is good, then. Personally, I regard all religions as make-believe, but that doesn't mean I think it is right to challenge every single person I meet on what they believe, and just because I don't respect their religion as a whole, it doesn't mean I can't respect the person for who they are. Religion is a sticky thing...

When it comes to other things like gender fluidity, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean the other person is wrong. There even is a biological part to it. Genetics and chromosomes isn't always as easy as xx and xy, and some may occasionally get three of these chromosomes instead of the usual two. We're all technically girls before a certain point in the fetus development (as a boy, ever wondered why you have nipples? That's why), and We're also dependent on hormones to become what we're meant to be. Sometimes, even though a person has boy parts or girl parts, they may technically be somewhere on a gender specter from a biological point of view. Some are even born without a definite gender. A gender fluid person may not have one of these particular biologically fluid genders, but this is just to illustrate the world isn't as easy as someone might think, and perhaps a bit more colorful than the black-and white view.

Personally, I still find it confusing with several of the other letters in the LGBTQetc community. I get the lesbian and gay part, the one where you like both, and I get you can have an idea you are of the other gender than what you were born as or grew up as. But just because I personally don't get all the rest, I guess there must be a reason for all the other letters. It isn't my job to tell someone how to feel about these things. As long as I am allowed to make some honest mistakes in the beginning when I do meet a person who is different in these ways, then I would be fine with it, because I've grown up using he/she (and them on the web if I don't know) and it isn't an easy habit to stop.

Free speech doesn't mean you are in your right to discriminate someone for their skin color, their mental or physical disabilities, their gender or lack thereof, their preferences in who they want to spend their life with, or anything else like that. Free speech means you are in your right to say things (in a non-descriminating way) and not get punished for it, like protesting, articles in newspapers, forums, etc. It does not protect you against getting yelled at by annoyed people though, so getting your point across in a decent way is preferable. It also doesn't mean you can say anything you want. It protects your right to have a voice and use it, but does not protect your supposed right to be a douchebag.
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#21 Old 27th Aug 2019 at 12:04 PM Last edited by PANDAQUEEN : 27th Aug 2019 at 1:27 PM.
To a certain degree, like what is basically required of in work settings for prevention of harassment in the work place. So at its most base, the broader definition of staying within boundaries of sensibility like sex, gender, race, color, ethnicity, religion, creed, national origin, disability, sexual orientation and gender expression, to name the majority off the top of my head as it's been years since I've been in a corporate office environment.

Any finer or more to the nitty gritty and it becomes really ridiculous. What bothers me is I went to school with teenagers who watched offensive cartoons, like South Park, Family Guy and Drawn Together (that last one would inspire the anime Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, just as offensive.) But when they see comedians on stage, they flip out!

It's like "Dude, WTF?...No, seriously, WTF!?" And I followed "If you can handle cartoons, but not living human beings, you're messed up."

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#22 Old 27th Aug 2019 at 2:43 PM Last edited by simmer22 : 27th Aug 2019 at 3:44 PM.
Quote: Originally posted by Wojtek
I've seen many people (on TV, social media, newspapers, or personally etc.) who disrespect or ridicule people like me because of the Catholic faith. Those same people later on claim that they're open-minded, tolerant and call for respecting everyone regardless of their religion etc. Hipocrisy and double standards.


Showing disrespect to a religious belief is not quite the same as showing disrespect to the person who has that religion.

If a person was very clear in their belief that a unicorn was standing in front of them, insisting on praying to this unicorn, worshipping it and thinking it could do miracles - but you couldn't see the unicorn, touch it, sense it or in other ways have the vaguest belief it was there and did all the things this person thought it was doing, then maybe you'd feel inclined to make them try and see things otherwise. The person would perhaps disagree with you strongly, saying "but you won't see it unless you have faith!"
(by the way, this is also how people switch religions, so it's not a purely atheist/agnostic thing to point out all the bad things about religion - it's always been "come to my side, we have better cookies than your side". Atheists kind of just want to know if the cookies are real first...).

You can still respect that person for everything else they stand for. Maybe they agree on everything else you agree on, except the unicorn part. Maybe you care a lot about them, and/or want nothing bad to happen to them, but realize the belief in this unicorn is causing harm to them or someone else around you. Treating the person with kindness and respect even though you disagree on something doesn't mean you have to respect that particular belief.

Personally, I think it's healthy to challenge old beleifs with new information and different views. Sometimes certain topics need a bit of debating and even ridiculing before people see it clearly, simply because they've held very strong beliefs in the opposite direction for quite some time. While it may not change the mind of that person in the end, it may cause other people to think, and maybe even change their minds.

HOWEVER, it is bad when they start ridiculing the person with the belief, and when the attack gets down to a personal level. "This belief has such-and-such flaws, because so-and-so..." is different from "You're stupid for believing this". One attacks the belief, the other one attacks the person. For some people holding those beliefs, that line is very flimsy, but it's still there. One could possibly lead to a healthy discussion, the other is nothing more than harrassment.

(By the way, belief doesn't have to be a religious thing. It can be a belief that abortion is right/wrong, that a politician is good/bad, or anything else, really).

Quote: Originally posted by Wojtek
If things go wrong during the fetus development, it's called a disorder not orientation or identity. Both men and women have not only nipples, but also navels, toes, noses, nails and ears lol. Okay, but which part of our body controls the hormones or peptydes? The human brain. If there's something wrong with the body, the brain is also affected, so it's a generic disorder. There's nothing to be proud about. People like that had rather seek medical help instead. These are not the dark ages. Modern medicine can monitor the fetus development and detect any abnormalities and anything which diverges from the XX XY model is a disorder.

If I see someone who looks like a man, I call him a man. If I see a woman, it's a woman. People who have a problem (or try hard to find one) identifying their sex should seek psychiatric help or contact a sexuologist, because it's a disorder.


That's nature to you. Chaos in a sphere-form.

First of all, my examples were meant to illustrate that it isn't always easy to know the exact gender/sex of someone even through biology. Sometimes it may just be some brain chemistry or chromosomes going of the beaten track - but I'm not saying this is always how it happens, because that's still a grey area we haven't quite figured out yet through science. If it turns out to be a disoder, it doesn't mean it has to be a disorder that absolutely needs fixing just because someone else has a hard time with using anything else than he/she pronouns. A person could be happy with being gender fluid or having a different gender than what everyone thought they had, and maybe more so than having to be forced into one box or the other. I'd argue them being able to feel happy with themselves is a whole lot better than adding to for instance suicide and depression statistics because they aren't happy with being who their society says they're "supposed to be".

I kinda get where you're coming from - this was mostly a non-issue up until the past few decades, and maybe more so in various countries where anything but a male/female gender/sex or a hetero relationship was or still is looked down upon. People like this "kept to the closet" because they were afraid of what people around them would say. Changing minds is a lot harder than you'd think, and some people are very stubborn in their mindset. In nature, gender fluidity is perfectly normal among certain species (various forms of hermaphroditism, for instance), so you can't even say it's a modern thing because it's existed for about as long as there has been life on Earth.

The reason humans start out in a female body is because the female body is kind of the template for a human. All the male parts are basically just reworked female parts. The Y-chromosome helps in deciding how much testosterone to release, and gives the body a testosterone boost a the right time, which makes the body start forming male parts instead of continuing with female ones. The Y-chromosome is really not that different from an X-chromosome, and is basically just an X-chromosome that for some reason mutated a very long time ago, deciding to eventually give of signals to produce large enough amounts of testosterone to make a boy. (Very simplified explanation and from memory ).

The body and the DNA makes blunders all the time. You get 6 toes on one foot, or one blue and one brown eye, there's a spontaneous mutation somewhere in your body, or you're born with a genetic defect. You can be perfectly healthy and then get cancer when you're 40 because some dna goes a bit amoc for no reason whatsoever. It happens all the time. Sometimes it can be fixed, or it kills you, while other times you just have to live with it. If gender fluidity or any other form of "not feling like the gender you were assigned at birth" is one such "blunder", I'm of the opinion that anything related to gender fluidity should be up to that person to choose. If they don't want to go through a lengthy surgery or don't want to go to a psychiatrist or sexologist to settle on one gender, then so what? Why is it even your problem? If you are unwilling to even ask them what pronoun they prefer if they tell you they're not what they seem to be, then I'd say you're being disrespectful to that person. You may disagree with how they see themselves, but you probably also don't know their story. A lot of these people may have struggled for a long time to even admit to themselves why they're feeling like they are, let alone coming to terms with what everyone around them thinks. The least they need is having to argue over he/she/? with someone who seems unwilling to understand.

Gender fluidity and other genders than female/male is not quite the same as other kinds of beliefs, so comparing it to the unicorn analogy above would be all kinds of wrong. Maybe a zebra is a better analogy. Sounds like a horse, looks like a horse, could be mistaken for a horse (with painted stripes), and is probably related to horses, but technically isn't a horse. You may not belive zebras exist if you've never seen one, and they may be fewer in numbers than horses, but that doesn't mean they don't exist, and it doesn't mean they have to be sad to not be a horse. Maybe the zebra is perfectly happy with being a zebra. Maybe if the zebra could communicate with people, it wouldn't like being called a "stripey horse" over and over again, though...

Quote: Originally posted by Wojtek
Great, so tell me why many Youtubers have their accounts deleted for exposing media hipocrisy or revealing something many consider inconvenient? Example? Edward Reid has had his YT account deleted for uncovering some historical facts about the Holocaust simply because it was "inconvenient" for many and challenges the hateful anti-Polish propaganda notoriously being repeated by people who have absolutely no idea about WWII. He also got several threats from "progressives" and "warriors fighting for free speech". Another one? A ten-year-old girl was harassed for recording a parody of a left-wing activist AOC and had her YT account shut. Again, "progressives" and "open-minded liberals" sent death threats to her and her parents for such a silly thing as...a parody of a hypocritical woman who pretends to take care of the immigrants when on camera, but doesn't give a shit in general.


Youtube is... Youtube. There's a lot of reasons why people get their accounts and videos deleted these days, and I don't work for them so I don't know what their thinking is. Could be something as simple as using copyrighted music or pictures, algorithms meant to filter out certain buzz words, or some or another reason. Maybe it's a pissed-off employee with very strong opinions. You'll have to ask the people behind Youtube.

Not everyone get their accounts/videos deleted for this - maybe they manage to get the information across in different ways.
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#23 Old 27th Aug 2019 at 4:35 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Wojtek
If I see someone who looks like a man, I call him a man. If I see a woman, it's a woman. People who have a problem (or try hard to find one) identifying their sex should seek psychiatric help or contact a sexuologist, because it's a disorder.

So then you're totally okay calling someone by their preferred pronouns if they pass? Isn't going by the system of just calling someone based on what you think is right is kind of flawed the moment you meet a non-binary or gender nonconforming individual? I'm also a bit confused about the second part because I think most trans people do seek out medical opinions first. Like, I don't even think you're allowed to start HRT without approval of a doctor, but I could be wrong.

What's the point of not calling people by their preferred pronouns? You get angry, gender nonconforming people get angry, everyone loses. What's to be gained? Even if it is a disorder, these people still deserve respect.

Quote: Originally posted by Wojtek
Great, so tell me why many Youtubers have their accounts deleted for exposing media hipocrisy or revealing something many consider inconvenient? Example? Edward Reid has had his YT account deleted for uncovering some historical facts about the Holocaust simply because it was "inconvenient" for many and challenges the hateful anti-Polish propaganda notoriously being repeated by people who have absolutely no idea about WWII. He also got several threats from "progressives" and "warriors fighting for free speech". Another one? A ten-year-old girl was harassed for recording a parody of a left-wing activist AOC and had her YT account shut. Again, "progressives" and "open-minded liberals" sent death threats to her and her parents for such a silly thing as...a parody of a hypocritical woman who pretends to take care of the immigrants when on camera, but doesn't give a shit in general.


Again, free speech protects you from the government, not private organisations. YouTube can shut down whatever they want.
Instructor
#24 Old 27th Aug 2019 at 7:01 PM
It's not a disorder, either. I have a degree in Psychology.
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#25 Old 27th Aug 2019 at 11:55 PM
^ Depends which kind of eyes you're seeing it with, I guess... In some cases it could be a disorder (something wrong with hormones or genetics or similar), but that doesn't mean it's always a disorder, and it also doesn't mean it's something that absolutely needs treatment of some kind - particularly if the person is content with who they are.

Maybe a bit out there I guess, but I kinda like how the Orville episodes "About a Girl" (S1 E3) and "Sanctuary" (S2 E12) explore some themes around gender, particularly how living in a rigid society can cause issues if you don't conform to the "norm", and what happens when there are reactions from an outside source questioning old "this is how it's always been" traditions. There are also some side stories in other episodes here and there related to what happens in these episodes. If you've ever liked any of Seth McFarlane's humor series and/or enjoyed Star Trek, it's kinda like a mix of both (sounds weird, but it works - maybe apart from some awkward moments). They're mostly episodic like ST used to be, so you can watch those two episodes back to back without getting too confused despite there being a whole season in between).
 
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