http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/
OUCH!!! Who is Obama? He is a Muslim,socialist with very bad associations.

Did you even watch that? I think Bill O'Reiely comes off as a massive arse. He won't let Obama talk, he's just flat out rude! Good interviewing is not shouting down the person you're interviewing, its letting them talk and asking the right questions.

When will McCain be interviewed by Olberman?

BigBadBrat, read this and take it in.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Now can you stop trying to make Obama out to be something he's not?

If you cannot stay on the topic of this thread - Palin as McCain's VP choice - and if you cannot stay civil, graceful, and arguing your point without resulting to personal attacks, snarking, and sniping, you will be removed from this thread.

Political topics are, by nature, heated debates, but it is up to you as debaters to keep on topic and remember to debate your -point-, not to debate about each other. Stick to your point, stick to your position, and remember that the tone and way you present yourself have a heck of a lot to do with how well people will understand what you're trying to get at.

Jhd posted a warning about this on the 7th and I have seen many chatters ignoring it. This is your second and last warning. After this, anyone who cannot stay on topic and remain polite will be removed from this thread.

And how much foreign policy experience does obama have again?



You do know what the primary job of the president is don't you?

HE IS COMMANDER AND CHIEF OF ALL THE ARMED FORCES!

The roll of commander and chief is to decide when, where and how to send our troops into harms way. Carry out declinations of war from Congress. Decide the use of our weapons, including Nuclear. Protect our nation from all foreign invaders.



Or a ticket from a man who is a fine lawyer, a freshman senator who's voting record in the senate is full of 230 not voting records, out of the total of about 440 issues he has voted on. That's an average of over half the time, he won't stand on an issue. Best of all, if you look through his voting record, foreign policy issues, out of a total of 27 issues, he has voted No Vote a grand total of 15 times. Better then half the time, he won't take a stance on the issue.

And on his VP pick, I'm going to start a new thread on just that.

BBB, I highly doubt that that is true, otherwise he won't win for sure. I think you pretty much have to be a Christian to be President. I don't see any non-Christian becoming President anytime soon. Also, keep in mind that while Palin may be a Christian and her church may not necessarily practice racism, they may still believe that other things are sinful like homosexuality, abortion, pre-marital sex, etc. That does not make her any better of a person than one who doesn't believe such things are sinful. Just remember that Palin is not all that innocent, so she has her lies too just like everyone else does. All politicians lie and you need to remember that. And I'm including Obama in this list, and this is coming from a non-Republican, so I'm trying to be as fair as I can. And I'm not saying who is worse than who, I am just merely pointing out that Palin has her faults as well.

I see this thread getting locked soon. It's getting way too heated as usual in all political threads here.

Obi-Wan has taught you well.

Of course John McCain has lied. He is a politician.
Of course Barack Obama has lied. He is a politician.
Of course Sarah Palin has lied. She is a politician.
Of course Joe Biden has lied. He is a politician.

Who is Obi-Wan? Actually no one specific really taught me this. It was coming to these debates and reading posts from you and other people that made me realize and learn new things I had yet to know. That is why I enjoy these debates because it's like a learning tool for me. As much as I do not support typical Republicans who think they are right and never wrong and they act like they never lie, I feel exactly the same way for the typical Democrats who act the same way. I realized that it is not the party so much as it is the actual person.

And from your list of people you have there, I was surprised you listed Johnn McCain first, lol. But yes, they all lie.

BBB, you need to realize this as well. Sarah lies, too. I know you love and support her, but she has her faults just like all the other three do.

One thing I've been wondering... why is Sarah Palin toting that poor baby of hers on stage at all of the conventions? The limelight and the loud applause associated with it is no place for any baby, let alone a Down's Syndrome child. She says to leave her family alone, and yet here she is parading them on stage. I know nothing about what sort of mother she is, but that act right there just screams inattentive and using the poor child for sympathy. I think it's absolutely horrible and very insensitive.



What does it matter if he's a Muslim? I swear, people in this country need to be more tolerant- it's no wonder that the rest of the world hates us. His religion says absolutely nothing about his competence as a politician. It's not even remotely part of the equation. All that matters is how he'll perform as a president, not what god he prays to.

If she didn't people would be bitching about her ignoring Trig. She is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't, so she chooses to take her kid with her. Big flippin deal.

Umm. Frankie? Obi-Wan? Seriously? Its a movie quote. If you remember my previous avatar, the one before the football helmet, which movie would be obvious All I was saying is that I am glad that you are learning that politics isn't the squeeky clean profession they want you to believe it is.

I agee Rabid, I have no respect for her as a mother, obviously her political career comes first....and from what I have read it came first even when she was pregnant. I wonder who is going to take care of that baby while she is on the road for 40 some days with John McCain.....I think Bristol will soon tire of it.
And well Obama isn't muslin....if one actually reads his biography completely....but people will think what they will think...as one hick said " I'm not voting for that guy, his name sounds like those people over there"...anyway..otherwise I agree Rabid. if you aren't christian or catholic in this country you will be judged.

It shouldn't matter if people are going to bitch about what she does- the baby, especially one with a handicap, should come before her political career, and if not that, she should at least have the consideration not to cause it stress and discomfort with loud noises. Her children should come first, and that's obviously not happening. Would it be so hard to hand the poor child off to a nanny for the few hours that she'll spend at the convention? It would certainly be more considerate. I'm not usually one to dictate how others should live their lives, but with children, it's different. Toting the baby around like a trophy is cruel.

I don't want McCain for president. For starters he's immature, comparing Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears to Obama??? WTF is up with that, he's being disrespectful to the people of the United States, who wants an immature president. And then it's kind of ridiculous that he got a female president just so he could win. I read somewhere that he said he might start the draft again but I may be wrong. Plus he's going to croak over soon so what's the point?

OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT

Rabid, I think..and I am just saying "I think" as my opinion, that child was a prop at the convention...they are trying to hit woman hard with that one....especially stay at home moms and single women as well. But I'm sure someone will correct us

I agree wholeheartedly- both Bristol and the baby were there as a ploy at the sympathy vote. If Palin wants to drag Bristol along, that's perfectly fine by me- at least she's capable of doing something about it if she doesn't want to go. But taking a poor, helpless baby to a place where she can't slip away and comfort it if needed is heartless and wrong.

well at that age babies will sleep through anything..I mean anything....lol....but yeah...too much....since this thread is about Palin I think its okay to rant about it a little bit....too me it shows a selfish individual...and the very fact she went back to work a day after she gave birth is ...I don't even know what to say...and I won't get into it biologically. We have 52 days or something like that to go till the election, I think its going to get very interesting and more information will come out and ultimately I do believe she will burn her own bridge...she and McCain....but it seems it changes almost daily....but as a person I don't like her, there is something cold about the woman and like BBB bosted in the other thread about not liking Obama, I'm saying it about Palin....I don't trust her.........

Palin's finally given some "interviews." What do people think about them?

1st interview: Charlie Gibson Interviews Sarah Palin
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote...=5782924&page=1

2nd interview: Charlie Gibson's Second Interview With Sarah Palin
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/...=5781460&page=1

3rd interview: Sarah Palin Defends Abortion Stance, Explains 'Bridge to Nowhere' Support
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote...=5787748&page=1


Personally, I think they only portray why she's not ready to be VP.

Thanks but seriously, I am not a big movie buff and if I do watch movies, they generally would be horror, chick flicks and some comedy. Sorry I missed the point, lol. And yeah, politics being squeaky clean? That's just like believing that a children's book about a family of humanized bears is based on a true story.

Ah, well, its a moderately well known quote from Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back. never mind then.

Yeah, I don't watch that stuff. That's why I got bored of Spore already since I'm just not a sci-fi fan. But I did enjoy "Friday The 13th The Series", "Monsters", "Tales From The Darkside" and "Nightmare On Elm Street The Series". Those will always be exceptions!

As for Palin, I don't know enough to have an opinion of her just yet, but if it is true about her son and how she is treating him like that, hmmm, that would just be cruel. Are you sure she would do that? I didn't think she was THAT bad, lol.

My God. I never thought there would be an American that didn't know what Star Wars was. My mom doesn't like it, but at least she knows the important characters and quotes well enough. But you've never seen the movie? Come on dude, it's like a classic.

Just so I keep this thread on topic, I think Palin is a much better VP candidate for McCain than Biden was for Obama. I went from going to Vote for Obama to now evenly divided over the lesser evil. McCain could prove four more years of Bush (I like to give people the benefit of the doubt so I won't say he will be, just that he might) where as Obama could make too many radical changes too fast (all he preaches about is change, and I would want him to do some change, but not alot all at once)

My policy is to try and vote the party that does not have control of the senate and house, if only because it ensures that only the most pressing and agreed upon bills are passed. Either two thirds of the representative of us must agree upon it, or both party lines must be on the same side. Keeps frivolous spending down. So that is what is leading me back to McCain, a fear that the demacrats will be just as unapposed as the Republicans were during the Bush admin. I think we can all agree that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and that we really shouldn't be voting unfettered power to any party. Palin just makes McCain easier for me to take, because she has that one quality Barack had that McCain didn't: she is a non-beltway politician, which was why I was going to vote McCain.

A letter I found about Sarah Palin....sums things up greatly, please read with an open mind:

Jenny- Do you know who Eve Ensler is? Doesn't it bother you that most of the 'facts' that she's basing her opinion on have no basis in reality (i.e. Palin's stance of birth control, evolution, book banning)? It's one thing to read a piece written by the author of 'The Vagina Monologues' with an open mind, but it's another to read it and not explore whether or not she's has her own agenda.

Yeah...hardly an unbiased source. Further, that she compares drilling for oil with rape shows how credible we need to take her. Utterly ridiculous.

Yes Banshee, I know who she is...and from what I have read about sarah palin and from what she has said over the last weeks I felt I could safely post that here....take it for whatever you want...just anothers viewpoint.

Please davious, she is making a point.................Oh wait, I forgot there are several of you here who think your points matter only............okay..well nevermind then....I told myself I was stepping out of here a week ago and I think its time...I don't get off on debating.